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Latter-day Saints: Would you be willing to take the Romans Challenge?

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By Eric Johnson

Life comes with presuppositions. No matter who you are, you have been influenced by everything from the culture (where you grew up) to the people in your community (starting with your parents and continuing with teachers and friends). You have been highly influenced, whether or not you realize it.

When you go to another country, it’s easy to see. For example, consider how the people of, say, China think and act as compared to people born and raised in Saudi Arabia. Unless you live there yourself, both cultures will seem foreign. While everyone certainly has individual traits, determining our upbringing and surroundings will help explain who we are as people. 

We must understand something, however. Truth is very limiting. Either gravity exists…or it does not. If it’s spring, then it’s not fall. And if a freezer needs an hour to make ice cubes, then it would be a waste of time to stick a cup of water into a microwave oven and expect it to turn to ice, no matter how long it was left there.

The same goes for religious faith. When we compare two different religions that are contrary to each other on essential issues (i.e. Who is God? What is required for “salvation”? What is scripture?), it is impossible that both ways can be true. The Law of Noncontradiction says that A cannot be non-A at the same time (i.e.  a 100% cotton shirt cannot also be 100% wool). In religious terms, if Islam is true (there is one God–Allah, salvation comes through following the Five Pillars of Faith, and true scripture is the Qu’ran), then by definition Hinduism (there are many gods, salvation comes through reincarnation/karma, and scripture includes the Vedas) cannot also be true. Using the first example, it is impossible for there to be only one God in existence (all other gods are excluded) yet also have the existence of many gods. The beliefs are self-refuting.

When we consider the truthfulness of the Bible, there are important tests we can give to see if this ancient set of books is authoritative. (I recommend visiting here for more on this topic.) Let’s just assume we really can trust the Bible as God’s Word for us today. The only way we can know what it teaches is by reading its words (in context) so we can determine just what the original authors of the 66 books meant to say.

The book of Romans was written in Corinth by the apostle Paul around AD 57 during Paul’s third missionary journey (see Acts 20). His intended audience was Christian, mainly Gentiles (Romans 1:13). This book systematically presents the gospel message in a straightforward manner. Its themes of faith and works, law and grace, sin and righteousness, and judgment and justification prevail through the entire work.  Reconciliation to God is the reward for having true belief.

Do you believe that it’s important to read the Bible? If so, I would like to challenge you to read the book of Romans. While the King James Version of the Bible is a long-time standard, we would like to recommend that you read the book of Romans in a more modern (and, thus, understandable) translation such as the New American Standard, the New International Version, English Standard Version, or the New Living Translation. A good translation takes the original language (Greek for the New Testament) and puts the meaning of the words into understandable English. It should not change the original meaning of what the author originally meant. How could reading it in a different version (one time) hurt? (A great website to find a good translation can be found at where you can read each of the aforementioned translations.)

Whichever version you pick up, read the book of Romans all the way through (without stopping, if you can). Jotting down some notes (with verse references) will help give you the gist of what the author is saying. Highlight the most important verses as well. When you are done, look through your notes. Ask yourself, “Does my religious system coincide with the message that Paul has written down in this book?” If it does, then you are on the right path. If it does not, then perhaps you need to consider the possibility that your religion is not as biblical as you might have thought it was.

We suggest stopping here and not reading any further in this article until you’ve had a chance to read the book. You should come to your own conclusion about this issue. Once you are done, then we welcome you to come back to this page for our commentary as we discuss the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Welcome back!

I’m glad you returned after reading the book of Romans. With your notes, let’s compare and see if we are on the same page.

First, let’s look at my personal list of the top 25 verses—I bet many of these verses were some you may have highlighted. Some of the verses I cite are combined with one or two others to give a better context. Please check my commentary following each passage (“What is this passage saying?”) and see if my analysis fits with the original context.

KEY VERSES in Romans (from the NIV)

1. Romans 1:16-17: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: ‘The righteous will live by faith.’”

What is this passage saying?

  1. True salvation comes “to everyone who believes.”
  2. It’s available not just for the Jewish person but for everyone else (Gentiles) as well.
  3. The gospel explains the righteousness of God.
  4. This righteousness comes through faith.
  5. Those who are believers live by faith.
  6. In essence, Christians who have faith are declared “righteous.”

2. Romans 1:20: “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. God has made Himself known from the beginning of the world.
  2. This “general revelation” can be seen by the very creation of the world (i.e. the design of the world and how this could not have been created without an architect–the Great Designer–who was behind it).
  3. Everyone is accountable to the fact that there is a God.
  4. In essence, everyone knows–down deep–that there is more to this world than what can be empirically proven.

3.  Romans 2:29: “No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. “Circumcision” as referred to here isn’t a minor surgery to a male’s bodily organ, but rather this is a reference to a transformation of the heart.
  2. A person cannot please God by legalistically following the “written code” (law).
  3. In essence, God is more interested in a person’s heart and attitude rather than outward actions (see 1 Sam. 15:21, Hosea 6:6).

4. Romans 3:20: “Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”

 What is this passage saying?

  1. It is impossible to please God merely by following rules and regulations of the Old Testament law.
  2. The purpose of the law helps people understand that everyone falls short of God’s standards.
  3. In essence, nobody can keep the whole law, which was originally given to help people understand that they need outside help to recover from their illness.

5. Romans 3:22-24: “This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. A person receives righteousness through faith (belief).
  2. Everyone has sinned, falling short of what God originally intended.
  3. Believers are justified by grace through what Jesus did, not anything they could do for themselves.
  4. In essence, everyone is a sinner but can be forgiven because of Jesus’s work on the cross.

6.  Romans 3:28: “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Justification comes through “faith alone” (the exact words of this verse found in the Joseph Smith Translation, or Inspired Version).
  2. We cannot earn justification by doing enough “good.”
  3. In essence, keeping a close eye on the law and observing its precepts will never get a person into heaven because the law is impossible to keep.

7. Romans 4:4-5: “Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.”

What is this saying?

  1. A paycheck is earned based on one’s work and not received as a gift.
  2. A person who is a sinner and trusts God doesn’t receive justification based on his/her own merits.
  3. It is the person’s faith that is credited as righteousness (see Hebrews chapter 11).
  4. In essence,  it is impossible to work for salvation (justification), as this is only given through faith.

8. Romans 4:23-24: “The words ‘it was credited to him’ were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Just like Abraham, God “credits” righteousness to those who believe in the biblical Jesus.
  2. If God gives righteousness, then it is impossible to earn righteousness.
  3. In essence, credit for righteousness is available only to those who are Christians who have faith.

9. Romans 5:1-2:  “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Repeating the theme from previous two chapters: Justification comes through “faith alone.”
  2. It is possible to have peace with God because of this justification (see Phil. 4:7).
  3. This justification comes solely through God’s grace (see Ephesians 2:8-9).
  4. It is even possible to “boast” in what God has done for the justified believer.
  5. In essence, there is hope that a Christian has that only comes through faith (not through personal efforts).

10. Romans 5:8: “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!”

What is this passage saying?

  1. God loves us so much that Jesus was sent to die for our sins.
  2. We are justified through the sacrifice made by Jesus.
  3. This means that believers won’t have to suffer God’s wrath that was due because of sin.
  4. In essence, the atonement of Jesus has delivered the Christian from an eternity in hell.

11. Romans 5:19: “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Adam’s sin brought condemnation upon all people (negating the message given in 2 Nephi 2:25).
  2. Jesus’s atoning work on the cross made it possible for people to become righteous (through belief).
  3. In essence, the work of Jesus is more powerful (fully efficacious) compared to the consequences brought forth by Adam’s sin.

12.  Romans 6:1-2: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Just because a Christian has been saved by grace doesn’t mean that he/she should willfully sin.
  2. If the believer has died to sin, then he/she will not want to “sin like hell.”
  3. In essence, the Christian cannot get more grace by sinning more–such an idea is logically fallible.

 13. Romans 6:12: “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Good works are important…but only after a person has been justified by faith. 
  2. Believers should not willfully practice sin (see Gal. 5:22-25).
  3. In essence, Christians (who have already been saved) are to discipline themselves to live righteous lives.

14. Romans 6:22-23: “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Christians are no longer under bondage to sin.
  2. This means they are no longer obligated to kowtow to sin’s demands.
  3. Holiness is vital in sanctification.
  4. Untreated (unforgiven) sin leads to eternal death.
  5. God has provided the believer a gift, eternal life, that cannot be purchased but can only be found in a true relationship with Jesus.
  6. In essence, the Christian is freed from deadly sin and has received eternal life as a gift.

 15. Romans 7:4: “So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. The Old Testament law was fulfilled in Jesus Christ (see Matt. 5:18).
  2. Because the law is dead, we are “divorced” from sin and thus released from our obligation.
  3. In essence, we now follow another (Jesus), the One who was resurrected from the dead.
  4. Our purpose when we are justified is to become sanctified.
  5. In essence, Christians no longer are beholden to the law but to grace.

16.  Romans 7:18-20: “For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Because of my sin, I can never be good enough on my own.
  2. It’s not because I don’t want to do good—it’s just that my sin prevents me from being “good.”
  3. I do those things that I don’t want to do, as sin is at my beck and call.
  4. My sin nature is so pervasive that I am naturally led down that road.
  5. In essence, nobody–even a saved Christian–can achieve “perfection” in this life.

17. Romans 8:1-2: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Those who have a right relationship with Jesus are no longer under sin’s condemnation.
  2. The condemnation of sin (death) has been superseded by the Holy Spirit.
  3. In essence, freedom from sin and death is given by God to the Christian believer.

18. Romans 8:12-13: “Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Our obligation as believers is not to the world and its flesh.
  2. Those who are not forgiven will die both physically as well as spiritually (eternally).
  3. Those who are forgiven will die physically but not spiritually (eternally).
  4. In essence, Christians are commanded to live according to the way He intends them to live.

19. Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future,(nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Nothing can separate the believer from God’s love.
  2. We can know that we are forgiven and have eternal life (see 1 John 5:13).
  3. To repeat, once we are justified, we become children of God (see 8:13).
  4. In essence, once a person has Jesus in his/her heart, there is no stopping God’s love from flowing to that individual.

20. Romans 9:16: “It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Salvation is not based on what we do. 
  2. It’s based on God’s forgiveness provided through His mercy (not giving us what we deserved, which is eternal death). In essence, mercy cannot be merited by man’s good works.

21. Romans 10:9-10, 13: “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. . . . ‘Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’”

 What is this passage saying?

  1. You must believe Jesus is your Lord.
  2. You must accept the resurrection of Jesus as true.
  3. Your belief means you are justified before God.
  4. Our heart belief is confirmed by what we proclaim from our lips.
  5. Everyone who calls on the true name of God is saved.
  6. In essence, a resurrection to life only comes to those who believe in the biblical Jesus.

22. Romans 12:1-2: “Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Make yourself a “living sacrifice”—dead to sin, alive in Christ—to have true worship.  
  2. Don’t allow sin (the typical pattern of this world) to continue its dominance in you.
  3. Renew your mind (what you think affects the way you behave).
  4. Only then can you know what God intends for you to do—to live righteously for Him rather than follow the patterns of old.
  5. In essence, Christians can know God’s intentions for their lives when they give themselves completely to God. 

23. Romans 13:14: “Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Live a sanctified life—possible to do after a person has received the Holy Spirit.
  2. Don’t gratify the desires of the flesh.
  3. In essence, Christians are to wear Jesus, not their personal fleshly desires.

24. Romans 14:8: “If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.”

What is this passage saying?

  1. Christ ought to be in every part of the believer’s life.
  2. No matter what happens—in life or death—the believer belongs to God.
  3. In essence, the Christian can live for Jesus 100% with no fear.

25. Romans 15:17: “Therefore I glory in Christ Jesus in my service to God.”

What is this passage saying?

     1. In essence, Christians do everything as redeemed believers to God’s glory (see Col. 3:23).

 Now, let’s summarize these 25 verses (and the totality of the book of Romans) in 12 points:

 1. God has made Himself known, both through general revelation but also through special revelation (provided to us through His Word—see 2 Tim. 3:15-16).

 2. All people have been born into sin.

3. Left to ourselves, we will continue to be mastered by our sin, which leads to spiritual death.

4. However, Jesus Christ came to this earth to redeem His people (see Matt. 1:21) through His redeeming work on the cross (see 2 Cor. 5:21).

5. Anyone who accepts Jesus as Savior becomes a new creation in Christ (see 2 Cor. 5:17).

6. To such a person–we’ll call him or her a “Christian–sin loses its power and sting (see 1 Cor. 15:55-57).

7. Legally, God sees the Christians as forgiven people, even though we do not become perfect people.

8. Once the Christian has been justified before God by faith, he or she is no longer under the power of sin.

9. If this is the case, then Christians should no longer live according to sin’s commands.

10. This will be a battle—it’s a struggle, Paul says—but the very idea that the Christian struggles means that the conscience provided through the Holy Spirit is active and warning not to give in to sinful desires. 

11. Christians bring glory to God through good works, carefully noting that it’s not the good works that brought the believer into good standing with God in the first place.

12. In conclusion, the Christian is able to “glory in Jesus Christ” by serving Him for the rest of his/her life.

 The book of Romans presents the gospel in such a powerful way. It is so much different than any other world religion. This is because all other philosophies/religions outside Christianity ask, “What can I do for God?” in order to attain His righteousness. Thus:

  • The Muslim is required to obey the Five Pillars of Faith;
  • The Hindu and Buddhist must meditate and hope to come to a place of extinguishment;
  • The Jewish believer must follow the law;
  • The Jehovah’s Witness has an obligation to follow the teachings of the Watchtower organization by studying their group’s teachings in magazines and books.

The adherents to these religions are not able to tell you with surety that, if they were to die right now, they would end up in the very best place their religion has to offer.

Based on the book of Romans, would you consider yourself a “Christian”?

Since this article is on a site aimed at Latter-day Saints (notice, this is the first time we have even brought up the term LDS or Mormon), consider what 2 Nephi 25:23 in the Book of Mormon says: “For we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Meanwhile, Doctrine and Covenants 14:7 quotes God as saying, “If you keep my commandments and endure to the end you shall have eternal life, which gift if the greatest of all gifts of God.” (This begs the question, how can something be considered a “gift” if a person must do something—“keep the commandments”—in order to earn it?)

Is the message from these two LDS scriptures the same as what Paul describes in the book of Romans? Let’s consider the teachings of Mormon presidents and see what they have to say on this topic:

    • 2nd President Brigham Young: “Every ordinance, every commandment and requirement is necessary for the salvation of the human family” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 152. See also the church manual Teachings of Presidents of the Church – Brigham Young, page 18).
    • 4th President Wilford Woodruff: “HOW TO OBTAIN FULL SALVATION. If I ever obtain a full salvation it will be by my keeping the laws of God” (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, p. 23. See also the church manual Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Wilford Woodruff, p. 71).
    • 5th President Lorenzo Snow: “The true gospel requires works.” (The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, pp. 16-17).
    • 6th President Joseph F. Smith: “I do not believe that a man is saved in this life by believing, or professing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, but that he must endure to the end and keep the commandments that are given” (Conference Reports, April 1915, p. 119).
    • 10th President Joseph Fielding Smith: “One of the most pernicious doctrines ever advocated by man, is the doctrine of ‘justification by faith alone,’ which has entered into, the hearts of millions since the days of the so-called ‘reformation’” (The Restoration of All Things, 1964, p. 192).
    • “All that we can do for ourselves we are required to do. We must do our own repenting; we are required to obey every commandment and live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. If we will do this, then we are freed from the consequences of our own sins. The plan of salvation is based on this foundation. No man can be saved without complying with these laws” (Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 172).
    • 12th President Spencer W. Kimball: “One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation” (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 206. See also the church manual  The Book of Mormon Student Manual Religion 121 and 122, 1989, p. 36).
    • 16th President Thomas S. Monson: “God our Father, and Jesus Christ, our Lord, have marked the way to perfection. They beckon us to follow eternal verities and to become perfect, as they are perfect (see Matthew 5:48; 3 Nephi 12:48)” (“An Invitation to Exaltation,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 1988, p. 54).

    Are these teachings consistent with other leaders? Consider:

    • Apostle Francis M. Lyman, “Without works of righteousness it is not possible to save a man” (July 19, 1896, [Stake conference message], Collected Discourses 5:164).
    • Apostle John A. Widtsoe: “We must pay the price for whatever we obtain. If we do something, we receive something; if we do nothing, we receive nothing. That is a universal principle, valid from economics to religion, on earth or in heaven. The price may not always be great, but it must be paid. Only as the price has been paid can we claim to own our possessions. Only as the price is paid, and to that degree, can we expect the joy which is the objective of existence . . . The difference between the two doctrines is that between truth and untruth, between light and darkness. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in full opposition to any doctrine which does not require man, and provide him with the means, to earn his way daily, to earthly and heavenly joys”  (An Understandable Religion, pp. 80, 83).
    • Apostle Elray L. Christiansen: “My brothers and sisters, we should all be proud of our progenitors. Some of us forget however, that as someone rightly said no matter how tall your grandfather was, you have to do your own growing. So it is in this great Church-we all must realize that salvation is an individual matter, that none of us can be taken into the celestial kingdom on the backs of others. We must earn our own position, both here and hereafter. It is not merely an acknowledgment that God lives and that this is the Church of Jesus Christ that will save us, but the application of that knowledge in good works” (Conference Reports, October 1952, pp. 53-54).
    • Apostle LeGrand Richards: “One erroneous teaching of many Christian churches is: By faith alone we are saved. This false doctrine would relieve man from the responsibility of his acts other than to confess a belief in God, and would teach man that no matter how great the sin, a confession would bring him complete forgiveness and salvation” (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, p. 24).
    • Apostle Mark E. Petersen: “Not even the blessings of God come to us without effort on our part. We must earn them by obedience to the laws upon which each one is predicated” (Faith Works! p. 298).
    • Apostle Bruce R. McConkie: “Salvation comes by obedience to the whole law of the whole gospel. Joseph Smith said: ‘Any person who is exalted to the highest mansion has to abide a celestial law, and the whole law too.’ Thus, a man may be damned for a single sin” (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 3:256).
    • “‘Salvation is free’ (2 Ne. 2:4), but it must also be purchased; and the price is obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel” (Bruce R. McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary 3:461).
    • First Presidency member Marion G. Romney: “There will be no government dole which can get us through the pearly gates. Nor will anybody go into the celestial kingdom who wants to go there on the works of someone else. Every man must go through on his own merits. We might just as well learn this here and now” (“In Mine Own Way,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1976, pp. 124-125).
    • Apostle Boyd K. Packer: “Even that grace of God promised in the scriptures comes only ‘after all we can do.’” (“The Brilliant Morning of Forgiveness,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1995, p. 19).
    • Apostle Neil A. Maxwell: “Thus, brothers and sisters, along with the great and free gift of the universal and personal resurrection there is also the personal possibility of meriting eternal life” (“Applying the Atoning Blood of Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1997, p. 23).
    • Apostle Joseph B. Wirthlin: “God’s love is complete and without limit for you and for all mankind. He is perfectly just and merciful. He is perfectly kind and understands your circumstances and condition. He knows you better than you know yourself. Because your Heavenly Father is perfect, you can have complete faith in Him. You can trust Him. You can keep His commandments by continually striving to do so. ‘Does that mean all of God’s commandments?’ you might ask. Yes! All of them!” (“Growing into the Priesthood,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 1999, p. 40.)

    These are but a few LDS leader quotes that explain what Mormonism says a person must do to attain salvation (justification). After reading the book of Romans, would you think that these leaders are accurate in their assessments? If not, is it possible that Mormonism is not teaching biblical truth?

    For more information, we invite you to look further in our website, including more articles on salvation. If you have questions or would like to know more about how you can “know” that you are justified and have eternal life, please contact us ([email protected]). We really do care.

    For a 5-part Viewpoint on Mormonism series on Justification that aired August 22-26, 2011, click on these: Part 1   Part 2   Part 3   Part 4   Part 5

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